[open-bibliography] Library support and REST
pm286 at cam.ac.uk
Tue Oct 26 13:49:19 BST 2010
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Karen Coyle <kcoyle at kcoyle.net> wrote:
> Quoting Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk>:
> The difference between something like OL and BL is that OL doesn't own the
> data it hosts, and therefore can only be silent on rights. (AFter all of the
> says.) This will be the case for anyone who harvests and combines data. It's
> a dilemma, but I don't know of a solution (beyond carrying rights data in
> every record, which of course then brings up the
> provenance-at-the-element-level problem). What this means is that when OL
> ingests the BL data, that data's rights are still defined by BL, not by OL,
> which has no right to declare rights over BL data. The same will be true
> when the BL data joins the linked data cloud -- it becomes open by a kind of
> default, but mainly because the cloud doesn't have a way to recognize
> rights. OL data is also in the cloud under that same status.
> Yes to clarify. We are not planning to use data from OL. The BL has give
the data with an Open Licence (CC0) which allows it to be redistributed
Openly. I don't see a serious licence cascade here. The OL may, of course,
ingest this data if it wishes as may we all
The only reason I mentioned OL was that we in OKF cannot take data from OL
and pronounce it OKD-Open.
> That said, OL does not accept metadata from anyone who wishes to assert any
> restrictions on use -- this is both a philosophical and a practical issue:
> OL has no way to convey nor enforce any kind of restriction, and Brewster is
> totally dedicated to openness.
>> I wasn't actually asking librarians to do extra work for the common good.
>> was under the mistaken impression that there were interested in
>> and would show a professional effort which could be helpful to us.
>>> Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
>>> I had hoped to find some feeling among libraraians that they cared about
>>>> this but I haven't seen any - I've blogged, tweeted, etc. and I know
>>>> get around.
>>>> It may be that individual libraries don't feel they will see the return
>>> investment of the training in new techniques, retooling of data and risk
>>> changing their licenses.
>>> Someone pays for libraries, right? Mostly not the users.
>> No - some of it comes out of my grants. I don't begrudge this, but it
>> be nice to see engagament.
>>> Is it possible to come up with a simple and clear story to lobby with,
>>> lobby people much higher up the structure. Getting funding councils to
>>> require Open Access publication of work they fund was a great idea. Can
>>> something similar happen with libraries?
>> I'm not a politician. I *am* trying this with UKPMC where I encounter
>> serious FUD. But I think there is so much experience in web democracy that
>> we can build this ourselves.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geograph has 10,000 members in UK and has
>> 2 million photos of the country and meticulaously recorded these. That's
>> average of 200 photos per member.
>> Open Bibliography could have 10,000 members and record - from the books -
>> the bibliography and produce 3 million records for the BL data. That's 300
>> books each. I expect you could photograph the NON_COPYRIGHT metadata with
>> iPhone. Then I suspect it's a few minutes to enter each book. We'll
>> the tools.
>> Geograph took 5 years and is 78% complete. I suspect Open bibliography
>> do the same in less. it's an ideal thing for people to do at home from
>> own book collection.
>> Excuse a rather naive question; but what types of libraries exist in the
>>> world? Each major type may require a different approach. I can think of;
>>> Public Lending Libraries
>>> National Archive Libraries
>>> Personal Libraries (my bookshelf & harddrive)
>>> University Libraries
>> Are archives of data (Flickr, Youtube) libraries?
>>> I was asked to present "Library of the Future" to a JISC conference last
>> year. I included Sourceforge, OpenStreetMap, etc as libraries of the
>> I tried to get feedback from the librray community before the meeting -
>> all on my blog. Almost no feedback.
>> Silent interest is little use today.
>>> Christopher Gutteridge -- http://id.ecs.soton.ac.uk/person/1248
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>>> / Webmaster, Web Science Trust, http://www.webscience.org/
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>> Peter Murray-Rust
>> Reader in Molecular Informatics
>> Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
>> University of Cambridge
>> CB2 1EW, UK
> Karen Coyle
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