From jonathan.gray at okfn.org Mon Aug 4 18:44:27 2008 From: jonathan.gray at okfn.org (Jonathan Gray) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:44:27 +0100 Subject: [okfn-help] Link to ckan wiki page on ckan.net? Message-ID: <48973FFB.6010708@okfn.org> Hi! Just wondering if we could link to the ckan wiki page from ckan.net: http://okfn.org/wiki/ckan Perhaps on the final line we could put: To find out more check out the the CKAN project at knowledgeforge.net and the CKAN page on the OKF wiki. Best, J. From print.crimes at yatterings.com Sun Aug 10 14:27:19 2008 From: print.crimes at yatterings.com (Iain Emsley) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:27:19 +0100 Subject: [okfn-help] Open Milton Message-ID: <489EECB7.8020706@yatterings.com> Dear all, Just a note to say I've nearly completed the port of Open Milton to the Pylons framework. Just testing over the next couple of days and changing the templates as I do so. I was going to add some rdfa into the text template as well. Best, Iain From rufus.pollock at okfn.org Mon Aug 11 17:14:27 2008 From: rufus.pollock at okfn.org (Rufus Pollock) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:14:27 +0100 Subject: [okfn-help] Open Milton In-Reply-To: <489EECB7.8020706@yatterings.com> References: <489EECB7.8020706@yatterings.com> Message-ID: <48A06563.6070701@okfn.org> Dear Iain, This is great. I was also doing some stuff on Open Shakespeare over the weekend. In doing this and looking at your stuff I was really thinking that (as discussed before) it really does not make sense to duplicate much of the core code for the Shakespeare and Milton cases when they are the exactly the same. In fact I reckon with a couple of hours of effort (or even less) we can get the Milton and Shakespeare texts both running through the same site and codebase (or almost the same -- perhaps we would have slightly different set of templates). Do you think it is worth pursuing this approach? I'd be happy to get together on irc at some point with you to take a look at how this merge would go ... ~rufus On 10/08/08 14:27, Iain Emsley wrote: > Dear all, > > Just a note to say I've nearly completed the port of Open Milton to the > Pylons framework. Just testing over the next couple of days and changing > the templates as I do so. I was going to add some rdfa into the text > template as well. > > Best, > > Iain > > > > > _______________________________________________ > okfn-help mailing list > okfn-help at lists.okfn.org > http://lists.okfn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/okfn-help From print.crimes at yatterings.com Tue Aug 12 13:28:51 2008 From: print.crimes at yatterings.com (Iain Emsley) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:28:51 -0700 Subject: [okfn-help] openMilton Message-ID: <20080812052851.q3odaws48cs80cc8@webmail.yatterings.com> Dear Rufus, You read my mind on this and I was going to test something and post tonight but you've beaten me to it... :) What I was going to suggest is that I create the Milton text package and the Milton templates and effectively supply a patch to the core Shakespeare code. Effectively you could transform the shakespeare code into "openLiterature" (since open Text I think has gone or is too close to another project) with the shksprdata file just called data. Then all we need to do to extend it would be to provide the packages of authors with a readme, the text files and template files for the guide and any changes one wishes to make. At that point all the user need do is drop the relvant packages in the data and templates, run db create, db init and paste serve your-name.ini and one running project (well, you need to install it first)! I think that would also fulfill the componentization part of the Open Knowledge (though the ref currently escapes me - sorry). Just so you know I'm currently looking at the idea of using LinkedData [1] to provide machine interfaces if somebody does use this on a webserver. Okay, I also wanted to explore how the web of data/data web can be used to serve Open Knowledge projects. I'm curious to see if it can lead somewhere meaningful. I was hoping that if we can find/develop a framework of ancillary texts/audio/video for consumption / generation. Any thoughts (apart from it could become Frankenstein's monster.)? Perhaps an IRC meeting would be useful, not just for this but also the Text Mining stuff that's begun to sprout. I think that there are a load of avenues that could be explored and it would be useful to create a public roadmap. All best, Iain [1] http://events.linkeddata.org/iswc2008tutorial/ -- Iain Emsley Blog: www.yatterings.com Blog: austgate.co.uk Mobile: 07942 259725 From rufus.pollock at okfn.org Sat Aug 16 17:35:24 2008 From: rufus.pollock at okfn.org (Rufus Pollock) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:35:24 +0100 Subject: [okfn-help] openMilton In-Reply-To: <20080812052851.q3odaws48cs80cc8@webmail.yatterings.com> References: <20080812052851.q3odaws48cs80cc8@webmail.yatterings.com> Message-ID: <48A701CC.3020808@okfn.org> On 12/08/08 13:28, Iain Emsley wrote: > Dear Rufus, > > You read my mind on this and I was going to test something and post > tonight but you've beaten me to it... :) :) > What I was going to suggest is that I create the Milton text package > and the Milton templates and effectively supply a patch to the core > Shakespeare code. Effectively you could transform the shakespeare code > into "openLiterature" (since open Text I think has gone or is too > close to another project) with the shksprdata file just called data. > Then all we need to do to extend it would be to provide the packages > of authors with a readme, the text files and template files for the > guide and any changes one wishes to make. Yes this seems exactly the way to go. We should probably start trying to spec out exactly what is in the core and not so we can reduce duplication and refactor as cleanly as possible. > At that point all the user need do is drop the relvant packages in the > data and > templates, run db create, db init and paste serve your-name.ini and > one running project (well, you need to install it first)! > > I think that would also fulfill the componentization part of the Open > Knowledge (though the ref currently escapes me - sorry). > > Just so you know I'm currently looking at the idea of using LinkedData > [1] to provide machine interfaces if somebody does use this on a > webserver. Okay, I also wanted to explore how the web of data/data web Interesting way to go. Originally I was thinking that people would simply install the shakespeare package themselves but more and more stuff is becoming 'online services'. By the way if you do this it might make sense to implement this in the shakespeare 'core' rather than simply in Milton. > can be used to serve Open Knowledge projects. I'm curious to see if it > can lead somewhere meaningful. I was hoping that if we can > find/develop a framework of ancillary texts/audio/video for > consumption / generation. Any thoughts (apart from it could become > Frankenstein's monster.)? I think developing a framework ab initio is hard. My suggestion would be to start storing/referencing this stuff and then see where this leads us. > Perhaps an IRC meeting would be useful, not just for this but also the > Text Mining stuff that's begun to sprout. I think that there are a > load of avenues that could be explored and it would be useful to > create a public roadmap. Good idea. We can use the trac instance we have: http://knowledgeforge.net/shakespeare/trac/ Current tickets are at: http://knowledgeforge.net/shakespeare/trac/report/1 ~rufus From print.crimes at yatterings.com Mon Aug 18 09:09:54 2008 From: print.crimes at yatterings.com (Iain Emsley) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:09:54 -0700 Subject: [okfn-help] open Milton Message-ID: <20080818010954.cotlemty5cg8w4s4@webmail.yatterings.com> Rufus - valid points re: the architecture of Milton / Shakespeare and discovery of open resources. I'll respond once I've committed the latest changes as discussed on Saturday. Iain -- Iain Emsley Lit Blog: www.yatterings.com Open Knowledge and Tech Blog: Mobile: 07942 259725 From print.crimes at yatterings.com Sat Aug 23 13:55:31 2008 From: print.crimes at yatterings.com (Iain Emsley) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:55:31 +0100 Subject: [okfn-help] open Milton In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B008C3.4050004@yatterings.com> > Yes this seems exactly the way to go. We should probably start trying to > spec out exactly what is in the core and not so we can reduce > duplication and refactor as cleanly as possible. > Given that we now provide packages, I think that we really only need the xapian indexing facility and the concordance since the metadata.txt file builds the db. The user no longer needs to use the gutenberg file. However the other files, like websetup and cache are used in the background. A thought on the concordance which I think can be coped with in building. I think it might be useful if there was a document / readme.txt file on how to "adapt" the metadata file to allow the user to build their own concordance/search functions to index individual materials - unless its worth doing a command line version which takes in a text command during building? Just wondering if an archive copy of the initial project should be kept before we redevelop the project. > >> At that point all the user need do is drop the relvant packages in the >> data and >> templates, run db create, db init and paste serve your-name.ini and >> one running project (well, you need to install it first)! >> >> I think that would also fulfill the componentization part of the Open >> Knowledge (though the ref currently escapes me - sorry). >> >> Just so you know I'm currently looking at the idea of using LinkedData >> [1] to provide machine interfaces if somebody does use this on a >> webserver. Okay, I also wanted to explore how the web of data/data web >> > > Interesting way to go. Originally I was thinking that people would > simply install the shakespeare package themselves but more and more > stuff is becoming 'online services'. By the way if you do this it might > make sense to implement this in the shakespeare 'core' rather than > simply in Milton. > I've got a working copy of shakespeare here (I think I need to download the new one though which you've been working on) which I'll use as a core for any development. > >> can be used to serve Open Knowledge projects. I'm curious to see if it >> can lead somewhere meaningful. I was hoping that if we can >> find/develop a framework of ancillary texts/audio/video for >> consumption / generation. Any thoughts (apart from it could become >> Frankenstein's monster.)? >> > > I think developing a framework ab initio is hard. My suggestion would be > to start storing/referencing this stuff and then see where this leads us. > Poor phrasing on my part (mainly from typing as thinking). I was thinking more of trying to put a page or set of pages which link into known open sources of material as a reference source which can be built on. > >> Perhaps an IRC meeting would be useful, not just for this but also the >> Text Mining stuff that's begun to sprout. I think that there are a >> load of avenues that could be explored and it would be useful to >> create a public roadmap. >> > > Good idea. We can use the trac instance we have: > > http://knowledgeforge.net/shakespeare/trac/ > > Current tickets are at: > > http://knowledgeforge.net/shakespeare/trac/report/1 > > All best, Iain > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > okfn-help mailing list > okfn-help at lists.okfn.org > http://lists.okfn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/okfn-help > > > End of okfn-help Digest, Vol 18, Issue 5 > **************************************** > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 16/08/2008 07:11 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/okfn-help/attachments/20080823/3ba10faf/attachment.html