[fc-uk-discuss] fc-uk meeting on saturday 10th of december in london

[Tom Chance]

Quoting "David M. Berry" <d.berry at sussex.ac.uk>:
>> I think calling "real political change only takes place under
>> collective organisation" a "fact" shows either an astonishing
>> ignorance of English politics, or a desire to use "real" as a
>> weasel word: would we share the same view of what change is real?
>>
>
> Please point out the historical examples of single individuals or  
> anarchist groups achieving *any* progressive political change.

As often happens, David, I think your writing style has clouded your message.
I'm not sure anyone is advocating that straw man.

Collective action could mean a lot of things, but your radical rhetoric 
usually
brings in a lot of ideas and associations that I, and I suspect others, find
disagreeable or at least not necessary/conducive to FCUK's success. The
Weathermen Underground and Make Poverty History are both examples of 
collective
action... I'm not sure that we want to follow either example in every respect
though ;-)

We all want to work collectively. The big and interconnected questions, 
after a
few months of relative stagnation, are: What can we actually do that is
worthwhile? How can we best organise in a way that builds more involvement and
doesn't contradict our *shared* principles (i.e. not just those you boldly
state as being necessary to free culture)?

Regards,
Tom


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